JamesDuncan - 93,210 lines of code, 10 staff & lessons learned 
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Large Projects
93,000
6 open source prod
on time. budget


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Canon boughgt , for online foto gateway for europ

Perl/Delphi/Kylix/tcl --- MySQL
Web Services, roll slow

CVS, broken to modules, 

1 box, less setup, 
each dev got 1 db, 1 ws


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Modeling

Whiteboards/napkins
Not to much design, not to litte 

To little design, is better than too much
Refactoring - better readblity - intentionj reveiling
- more refactoring
- reluctance HURT
- -UnClear, Lack of tests - Confidence
- -Time lack -- MAKE THE TIME

TEST
- >2500 tests
- makes refactoring easy
_ www::mechanise
- habit



Workspaces
  independant


PERL

Data Structures are so tempting 
Use OO
Single bigest problem
Refactored to fix this
Bug interstuctures (in an objecty) just as bad



Mental

Slow growth
Shared Goal


Let engineers make engineers

Open Source

peer review good -- not formal, responsiblity shifted 
World Review better -- 



learn from sucesses, failures

Better Env for Programms , better projects